Hi Everyone,

Who is Jesus...? it is a question I have been pondering more and more of late. This time of year brings Jesus into sharper focus as we celebrate this christian festival. Was Jesus christ God's only begotten son born to a virgin mother via immaculate conception.

A man born to be king and the son of man. The bible portrays Jesus as a pure and godlike man, who as a boy stunned the theologians with his knowledge and wisdom, which was believed to come from God, it was also believed he ruled the elements, he cured the sick, raised the dead and cast out demons. What is the truth. Was Jesus Christ a real messiah and miracle worker or was he a nomadic shayman, living on the land.

New evidences portray Jesus as a normal human being with emotions the same as other men, it is suggested he was prone to depression and led a more solitary existance than is believed. It is also found that Jesus was not the only prophet operating in the middle east at that time, Simon Magus, Apollonius of Tyana, this suggests that israel was awash with prophets and messiahs which challenged Jesus movement in forming christianity. Over time these challengers were erased from biblical history in order to maintain the legend that surrounds Jesus.

There are many questions still unanswered about Jesus the man and who he really was. Jesus Christ has shaped history like no other religious figure, but still mystery surrounds much about his life and his teachings, did he die on the cross, or was he saved by Joseph of Aramathea as told of in the bible where he fled into the wilderness to live out his years. One thing is true, Jesus Christ remains as enigmatic as he did 2000 years ago.

Mr Darwin

Simon the Sorcerer or Simon the Magician, in Latin Simon Magus, (Greek Σίμων ὁ μάγος) was a Samaritan magus or religious figure and a convert to Christianity, baptised by Philip the Evangelist, whose later confrontation with Peter is recorded in Acts 8:9-24. The sin of simony, or paying for position and influence in the church, is named for Simon. The Apostolic Constitutions also accuses him of lawlessness.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Magus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Tyana
Philostratus implies on one occasion that Apollonius had extra-sensory perception
Being a 1st-century orator and philosopher around the time of Christ, he was compared to Jesus of Nazareth by Christians in the 4th century[3] and by various popular writers in modern times.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
Most Christian denominations venerate him as God the Son incarnated and believe that he rose from the dead after being crucified.[13][14] The principal sources of information regarding Jesus are the Bible's four canonical gospels,[15] which most biblical scholars find useful for reconstructing Jesus' life and teachings

Mr Darwin

I'm not sure why you wrote your note in the manner you did this morning ... nor this one in the manner you did

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It is also found that Jesus was not the only prophet operating in the middle east at that time, Simon Magus, Apollonius of Tyana, this suggests that israel was awash with prophets and messiahs which challenged Jesus movement in forming christianity. Over time these challengers were erased from biblical history in order to maintain the legend that surrounds Jesus.

can you help to explain .. was I suppose to be not smart enough to know the other men ? the way you write it yourself know what your writing isn't truth
copy
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at that time, Simon Magus, Apollonius of Tyana,

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these are 2 different individuals washed into one name and prophet category

do you have any other mens names to google for me
what was your plan and thoughts when you constructed this letter
this will help us see why you may not be experiencing ascension
thankyou for your kindness in helping me understand you
jenny

Guest wrote:Mr Darwin

I'm not sure why you wrote your note in the manner you did this morning ... nor this one in the manner you did

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It is also found that Jesus was not the only prophet operating in the middle east at that time, Simon Magus, Apollonius of Tyana, this suggests that israel was awash with prophets and messiahs which challenged Jesus movement in forming christianity. Over time these challengers were erased from biblical history in order to maintain the legend that surrounds Jesus.

can you help to explain .. was I suppose to be not smart enough to know the other men ? the way you write it yourself know what your writing isn't truth
copy
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at that time, Simon Magus, Apollonius of Tyana,

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these are 2 different individuals washed into one name and prophet category

do you have any other mens names to google for me
what was your plan and thoughts when you constructed this letter
this will help us see why you may not be experiencing ascension
thankyou for your kindness in helping me understand you
jenny

Hi Jenny,

I compiled this posting with regard to the many questions being asked about Jesus these days. The man, the myth, the legend. What is true. There was no plan, but the notion was to open a thought provoking discussion about not only who Jesus is but where does he fit in the world today. I did not google any names, These are two names I knew of who operated as prophets or supposed messiahs in Jesus time, Simon Magus, who was renounced by peter for supposedly trying to buy his way into his following, hence the act of Simony, and Apollonius of Tyana, who operated as a miracle worker and seer. If you read my post again you will notice a comma between the two names. I mention them, not because I believe you are not smart enough to know them, but there may be other readers who may not know of these men.

May I ask why you believe I will not experience ascension for merely posing a question about who is Jesus and offering a fact that there were indeed others who acted as prophets, carrying out similar ministries as Jesus and that these individuals were eradicated from literary history in order to maintain the legend of Jesus, and how has this posting helped you understand me, I thought you already did.

I detect a little spite in your reply, why...? I understand why you challenge my comments, given your strong faith and belief of who and what Jesus was, but please do not start the pettiness that prevailed before, I thought you had gone beyond that.

Happy New Year,

Mr Darwin.

Mr Darwin wrote:Hi Jenny,

I compiled this posting with regard to the many questions being asked about Jesus these days. The man, the myth, the legend.

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and your own personal questions and thoughts after this are ?
what about him do you question in yourself
that made you wonder about another's thoughts to weigh yours against ?

did you just want to have a conversation ?
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What is true. There was no plan, but the notion was to open a thought provoking discussion
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how could this possibly be thought provoking do you understand you just ambushed your own intelligence ?
why would anyone want to join this conversation already built on lies ?
i didnt i dont noone else did ?

this gave your intelligence a minus - it also affects the morals and the heart with the intentions mis directed
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about not only who Jesus is but where does he fit in the world today.

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so let me get this straight you compared him to a simon whom is not a prophet as you say but the opposite
and a philosophical orator
....
you boastly state that the area is awash meaning so many we can not count
but the few top.. you pick are not even prophets ...
can you find the prophets at this time you want me to google
:>
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I did not google any names, These are two names I knew of who operated as prophets or supposed messiahs in Jesus time, Simon Magus, who was renounced by peter for supposedly trying to buy his way into his following, hence the act of Simony,
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ok can you show me something that says he is known as a prophet ? please because i got he works the opposite side in wikipedia easy stuff
hes mentioned in the bible you bought last year and it says he was lawless meaning not of God or light how could you even begin ??

but hey heres your conversation

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and Apollonius of Tyana, who operated as a miracle worker and seer.
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could you please back this up you guys don't like when i copy paste and i couldnt find any of this you say about him so we could use him if you'd like to begin after you back up his gifts thankyou
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If you read my post again you will notice a comma between the two names. I mention them, not because I believe you are not smart enough to know them, but there may be other readers who may not know of these men.
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Soooooooooooooo~> Mr Darwin

you thought i would get it but not the others How simply flattering of you
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May I ask why you believe I will not experience ascension for merely posing a question about who is Jesus and offering a fact that there were indeed others who acted as prophets,
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you need to ask yourself what your true intentions where
and if your unaware of what you did to just maybe try to get a conversation going re read this over and over till you see the light

Mr Darwin you have a warm heart and an appealing nature this route to me .... isn't becoming of you
i don't want to have a friend on the computer that may want to insult my intelligence by consciously manipulating a bogus writing ....
do you see your mis directed intent ~~<>> the heart of one shouldn't be able to find this route in trying to receive the heart ~~ or warmth welcoming of another it seeks ... it's oil and water ..not of truths not good nature does not fit the Self or the Higherself

you should not want to do this to yourself let alone me or any other anywhere
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neither of these 2 you listed are named any where so far as prophets
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carrying out similar ministries as Jesus and that these individuals were eradicated from literary history in order to maintain the legend of Jesus,
but you can google them and find them everywhere for whom they were ..... O.K how so ?
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and how has this posting helped you understand me, I thought you already did.
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it hasnt i don't understand these parts of human nature
why you would or one would do this to themselves let alone any other
********** and i always give my innocence in areas most of the time and want to believe you didn't mean to try to bullsh*t me on purpose ... but you blatantly do and it doesnt fit the person i want to know ... thats why i stay at a distance from you always for me this makes me have to watch being around you
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I detect a little spite in your reply, why...?
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you can switch it to me having spite thats fine i will take yours also
i'm being very warm hearted and want to know what makes a person want to look like this to others and to self
how did you feel the first day i posted the wikipedia parts
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big little ?? dumb smart ?? caught ? what did you feel was it good ?? proud ??
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I understand why you challenge my comments, given your strong faith and belief of who and what Jesus was, but please do not start the pettiness that prevailed before, I thought you had gone beyond that.

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Mr Darwin please don't start to get mean because i busted your ass straight up
thankyou for more insight i will continue to step around you
bless jenny

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pettiness that prevailed before, I thought you had gone beyond that.

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lying to me and manipulating me is not pettiness Mr Darwin and i won't ever pass up a chance to bring true bs into the light
perhaps someone with your same moral dignity can be found sooner than later
Happy New Year
and again thankyou for reminding me who you are
i thankyou for this jenn

Guest wrote:

Mr Darwin wrote:Hi Jenny,

I compiled this posting with regard to the many questions being asked about Jesus these days. The man, the myth, the legend.

***********
and your own personal questions and thoughts after this are ?
what about him do you question in yourself
that made you wonder about another's thoughts to weigh yours against ?

did you just want to have a conversation ?
*******

What is true. There was no plan, but the notion was to open a thought provoking discussion
***********
how could this possibly be thought provoking do you understand you just ambushed your own intelligence ?
why would anyone want to join this conversation already built on lies ?
i didnt i dont noone else did ?

this gave your intelligence a minus - it also affects the morals and the heart with the intentions mis directed
***********

about not only who Jesus is but where does he fit in the world today.

*********
so let me get this straight you compared him to a simon whom is not a prophet as you say but the opposite
and a philosophical orator
....
you boastly state that the area is awash meaning so many we can not count
but the few top.. you pick are not even prophets ...
can you find the prophets at this time you want me to google
:>
*************
I did not google any names, These are two names I knew of who operated as prophets or supposed messiahs in Jesus time, Simon Magus, who was renounced by peter for supposedly trying to buy his way into his following, hence the act of Simony,
************
ok can you show me something that says he is known as a prophet ? please because i got he works the opposite side in wikipedia easy stuff
hes mentioned in the bible you bought last year and it says he was lawless meaning not of God or light how could you even begin ??

but hey heres your conversation

***************
and Apollonius of Tyana, who operated as a miracle worker and seer.
**********
could you please back this up you guys don't like when i copy paste and i couldnt find any of this you say about him so we could use him if you'd like to begin after you back up his gifts thankyou
************
If you read my post again you will notice a comma between the two names. I mention them, not because I believe you are not smart enough to know them, but there may be other readers who may not know of these men.
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Soooooooooooooo~> Mr Darwin

you thought i would get it but not the others How simply flattering of you
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May I ask why you believe I will not experience ascension for merely posing a question about who is Jesus and offering a fact that there were indeed others who acted as prophets,
*********
you need to ask yourself what your true intentions where
and if your unaware of what you did to just maybe try to get a conversation going re read this over and over till you see the light

Mr Darwin you have a warm heart and an appealing nature this route to me .... isn't becoming of you
i don't want to have a friend on the computer that may want to insult my intelligence by consciously manipulating a bogus writing ....
do you see your mis directed intent ~~<>> the heart of one shouldn't be able to find this route in trying to receive the heart ~~ or warmth welcoming of another it seeks ... it's oil and water ..not of truths not good nature does not fit the Self or the Higherself

you should not want to do this to yourself let alone me or any other anywhere
***********

neither of these 2 you listed are named any where so far as prophets
****************

carrying out similar ministries as Jesus and that these individuals were eradicated from literary history in order to maintain the legend of Jesus,
but you can google them and find them everywhere for whom they were ..... O.K how so ?
***********
and how has this posting helped you understand me, I thought you already did.
************
it hasnt i don't understand these parts of human nature
why you would or one would do this to themselves let alone any other
********** and i always give my innocence in areas most of the time and want to believe you didn't mean to try to bullsh*t me on purpose ... but you blatantly do and it doesnt fit the person i want to know ... thats why i stay at a distance from you always for me this makes me have to watch being around you
******
I detect a little spite in your reply, why...?
*******
you can switch it to me having spite thats fine i will take yours also
i'm being very warm hearted and want to know what makes a person want to look like this to others and to self
how did you feel the first day i posted the wikipedia parts
*****
big little ?? dumb smart ?? caught ? what did you feel was it good ?? proud ??
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I understand why you challenge my comments, given your strong faith and belief of who and what Jesus was, but please do not start the pettiness that prevailed before, I thought you had gone beyond that.

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Mr Darwin please don't start to get mean because i busted your ass straight up
thankyou for more insight i will continue to step around you
bless jenny

Hi Jenny,

What is it about my posting that has got your hackles raised. I repeat, I merely raised a question about who is Jesus and what role does he play in the world today. There is more and more evidence coming to light which is aimed at discrediting Jesus, you know this. I stated that there were many others who were practising the same ministries as Jesus during his time and I put forward two names to support my comments. Simon Magus is mentioned in the bible, only briefly, and is painted as a heretic. However, both of these men have all but been eradicated from biblical and literary history in order to preserve Jesus legend.

Why do you think I have lied to you, my post is based on what I have read and what I have previously known as well as putting forward evidences of people more learned than I in the field of religious history. I understand your unswerving passion for God and Jesus, and I also accept that when evidences come to light which may alter the perception of who Jesus was, yourself and others who share your passion will defend your belief to the hilt and equally try to discredit those who pose such questions. This question has been asked many times before, "Who is Jesus" what is the truth, it's like asking, will the real Jesus please stand up, as there are so many differing perceptions.

I wholly concede to you, that you are evidently more knowledgeable than I on the subject of God and Jesus and possibly religion on the whole. You are a passionate supporter of it, so I would assume correctly, that maybe you could offer your own view and possibly educate me a little further, rather than accuse me of lying, because if it is found that what I presented is lies, they are not my lies, so therefore you have labelled me something I am not guilty of.

Anything which anyone posts on here is open to question. I fully get that, and equally welcome it. When I or anyone makes a point or uses a name to highlight that point, sometimes you have to explain what the point is, who the person is or why you believe what you believe, it is providing relevant information so that the reader and respondant can understand your view and reply accordingly, it is no way assuming any individual is ignorant, but nobody knows everything and so you have to impart information, that is the most basic requirement when corresponding with anyone.

I agree with you in that I have a warm heart and appealing nature, not to mention a strong moral dignity, (so you do understand me). This is not an argument, at least not with me, you need to go back to the history books and the source of these stories, there you will find the perpertrator of these lies, if they are found to be lies. I wholly accept your comments and your challenges, but lets keep it real and cordial, we have been getting along famously recently, I have not been mean, nor have I told you any lies, nor have I manipulated you, you either accept my comments or challenge them, which you have done, fair enough. Now prove to me that what I posted is based on falsehoods.

Mr Darwin.

Guest wrote:

Mr Darwin wrote:Hi Jenny,

I compiled this posting with regard to the many questions being asked about Jesus these days. The man, the myth, the legend.

***********
and your own personal questions and thoughts after this are ?
what about him do you question in yourself
that made you wonder about another's thoughts to weigh yours against ?

did you just want to have a conversation ?
*******

What is true. There was no plan, but the notion was to open a thought provoking discussion
***********
how could this possibly be thought provoking do you understand you just ambushed your own intelligence ?
why would anyone want to join this conversation already built on lies ?
i didnt i dont noone else did ?

this gave your intelligence a minus - it also affects the morals and the heart with the intentions mis directed
***********

about not only who Jesus is but where does he fit in the world today.

*********
so let me get this straight you compared him to a simon whom is not a prophet as you say but the opposite
and a philosophical orator
....
you boastly state that the area is awash meaning so many we can not count
but the few top.. you pick are not even prophets ...
can you find the prophets at this time you want me to google
:>
*************
I did not google any names, These are two names I knew of who operated as prophets or supposed messiahs in Jesus time, Simon Magus, who was renounced by peter for supposedly trying to buy his way into his following, hence the act of Simony,
************
ok can you show me something that says he is known as a prophet ? please because i got he works the opposite side in wikipedia easy stuff
hes mentioned in the bible you bought last year and it says he was lawless meaning not of God or light how could you even begin ??

but hey heres your conversation

***************
and Apollonius of Tyana, who operated as a miracle worker and seer.
**********
could you please back this up you guys don't like when i copy paste and i couldnt find any of this you say about him so we could use him if you'd like to begin after you back up his gifts thankyou
************
If you read my post again you will notice a comma between the two names. I mention them, not because I believe you are not smart enough to know them, but there may be other readers who may not know of these men.
**********
Soooooooooooooo~> Mr Darwin

you thought i would get it but not the others How simply flattering of you
*************

May I ask why you believe I will not experience ascension for merely posing a question about who is Jesus and offering a fact that there were indeed others who acted as prophets,
*********
you need to ask yourself what your true intentions where
and if your unaware of what you did to just maybe try to get a conversation going re read this over and over till you see the light

Mr Darwin you have a warm heart and an appealing nature this route to me .... isn't becoming of you
i don't want to have a friend on the computer that may want to insult my intelligence by consciously manipulating a bogus writing ....
do you see your mis directed intent ~~<>> the heart of one shouldn't be able to find this route in trying to receive the heart ~~ or warmth welcoming of another it seeks ... it's oil and water ..not of truths not good nature does not fit the Self or the Higherself

you should not want to do this to yourself let alone me or any other anywhere
***********

neither of these 2 you listed are named any where so far as prophets
****************

carrying out similar ministries as Jesus and that these individuals were eradicated from literary history in order to maintain the legend of Jesus,
but you can google them and find them everywhere for whom they were ..... O.K how so ?
***********
and how has this posting helped you understand me, I thought you already did.
************
it hasnt i don't understand these parts of human nature
why you would or one would do this to themselves let alone any other
********** and i always give my innocence in areas most of the time and want to believe you didn't mean to try to bullsh*t me on purpose ... but you blatantly do and it doesnt fit the person i want to know ... thats why i stay at a distance from you always for me this makes me have to watch being around you
******
I detect a little spite in your reply, why...?
*******
you can switch it to me having spite thats fine i will take yours also
i'm being very warm hearted and want to know what makes a person want to look like this to others and to self
how did you feel the first day i posted the wikipedia parts
*****
big little ?? dumb smart ?? caught ? what did you feel was it good ?? proud ??
********
I understand why you challenge my comments, given your strong faith and belief of who and what Jesus was, but please do not start the pettiness that prevailed before, I thought you had gone beyond that.

********
Mr Darwin please don't start to get mean because i busted your ass straight up
thankyou for more insight i will continue to step around you
bless jenny

Jenny,

You asked me what my thoughts were regarding my question who is Jesus. After giving this plenty of thought, I can only answer that the Jesus I know of is the jesus portrayed in the bible. However, this causes me a few problems, particularly that I have little belief or faith in the bible, so the jesus of the bible is somewhat an illusion based upon what I believe to be myth. There are many contradictions when the subject of who is Jesus is raised, many will say he is the "Son of god" where others will proclaim he is God incarnate. This poses the obvious question of what is the truth. Is Jesus the son of god, or is jesus one and the same.

As with every debate, there are two differing views. Those that believe and worship jesus will tell you, "Jesus Christ is the only proof of the living God. We only know God through Jesus Christ. on the other side of the debate others will state, "There was no such person in the history of the world as Jesus Christ" the bible is a fictional non historical narrative. What we have here is two opinions so very far apart that leaves no room for doubt either way.

I do believe that there was indeed a man born Jesus, but was he the man portrayed in the bible, the saviour, a man that made blind men see, cured the sick, performed miracles and raise the dead to life again. Is it possible that this man was capable of performing these acts and was truly unique among men, or is the truth these acts have been embellished over time to sound more fantastical and maintain jesus legend. My own thought is that yes, Jesus was probably more intellectual than most of his day and through that would be seen as some great oracle, he knew the land, he educated himself in religion and law and to his followers his word was gospel. To the governors of the land at that time he was a rabble rouser, a trouble causer looking to unseat the government and work against the laws of the land as well as fashioning a new religious cult, (Christianity) this went totally against rome and was seen as treason and was punishable by death.

When Jesus was crucified, it is said he died on the cross and gave up his spirit to God. there is an argument that when he was taken off the cross he was not dead and that Joseph of Arimathea, paid for the tomb and claimed his body, he and his accolytes tended to jesus and treated his wounds with Myrrh and took Jesus away, where he would supposedly live out his days anonymously, this is a stark contradiction to what the bible says and creates debate about the crucifiction and events thereafter.

If Jesus was alive today, would he be viewed as unique and a saviour, I dont think he would. What you have to understand, is that man is vastly more intelligent now, our sciences have progressed enormously and we tend to exist on a more technological level and rely more on that than religion. To me Jesus was a scientist, an alchemist and a shayman, he lived off the land, he knew a sort of medicine and so practised this and was seen as a miracle worker when healing people. More and more scholars of Jesus and his life are finding evidences which paint a whole different picture of who was Jesus and is he prominent in todays world. It is nigh impossible for me to answer a question that has confounded biblical scholars for years and who still cannot agree on Who Is Jesus.

Mr Darwin.

Mr Darwin wrote:Jenny,

You asked me what my thoughts were regarding my question who is Jesus. After giving this plenty of thought, I can only answer that the Jesus I know of is the jesus portrayed in the bible. However, this causes me a few problems, particularly that I have little belief or faith in the bible, so the jesus of the bible is somewhat an illusion based upon what I believe to be myth. There are many contradictions when the subject of who is Jesus is raised, many will say he is the "Son of god" where others will proclaim he is God incarnate. This poses the obvious question of what is the truth. Is Jesus the son of god, or is jesus one and the same.

I'd pay attention to the portions of the OT that define the god as singular. Only one entity.

Within Judaism. The Judaic deity is defined as one complete and singular entity(within that mythology, if that means anything). It's very clear in the OT/Tanakh,ie;Judaism, that there is no plurality of the deity in any way. Read Deuteronomy 6:4. There are other examples besides that one.

Mr Darwin wrote:As with every debate, there are two differing views. Those that believe and worship jesus will tell you, "Jesus Christ is the only proof of the living God. We only know God through Jesus Christ. on the other side of the debate others will state, "There was no such person in the history of the world as Jesus Christ" the bible is a fictional non historical narrative. What we have here is two opinions so very far apart that leaves no room for doubt either way.

When you get to the prophecies concerning the "Messiah" or "Mashiach", take notice there are no half man/half god qualities assigned to that person. Below are some of the verses that are specific to what the Judaic "Messiah" was to be and do.

Ezekiel 38:16) Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20) Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39) Daniel 10:14) Hosea 3:4-3:5) Micah 4) Zephaniah 3:9) Zechariah 14:9) Those verses represent what that Mashiach would do. All signs of the Messiah.

Mr Darwin wrote:I do believe that there was indeed a man born Jesus, but was he the man portrayed in the bible, the saviour, a man that made blind men see, cured the sick, performed miracles and raise the dead to life again. Is it possible that this man was capable of performing these acts and was truly unique among men, or is the truth these acts have been embellished over time to sound more fantastical and maintain jesus legend. My own thought is that yes, Jesus was probably more intellectual than most of his day and through that would be seen as some great oracle, he knew the land, he educated himself in religion and law and to his followers his word was gospel. To the governors of the land at that time he was a rabble rouser, a trouble causer looking to unseat the government and work against the laws of the land as well as fashioning a new religious cult, (Christianity) this went totally against rome and was seen as treason and was punishable by death.

There may have been a person named Jesus. However, that person didn't fulfill prophecy.

Which is why the Jews rejected the Jesus. It didn't happen. The fact that the Jesus was killed before complete fulfillment of messianic prophecy is a proof in and of itself the Jesus was a false "Messiah".

According to the mythology the "Mashiach" was 100% human and mortal. Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents(maternal/paternal), and possess normal physical attributes like other people. It will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities.

All of the tasks to be done by "Messiah" were to be completed during the lifetime of that person. Once revealed. While here. First time. One time. Only time. There was no "second coming" involved according to OT messianic prophecy.

Christians cite other portions of the OT with tortured, massaged and tweaked interpretations as Messianic prophecies. Just because Christianity claims this as prophecy doesn't make them OT Messianic prophecies, however vehemently Christians may claim them to be.

Mr Darwin wrote:When Jesus was crucified, it is said he died on the cross and gave up his spirit to God. there is an argument that when he was taken off the cross he was not dead and that Joseph of Arimathea, paid for the tomb and claimed his body, he and his accolytes tended to jesus and treated his wounds with Myrrh and took Jesus away, where he would supposedly live out his days anonymously, this is a stark contradiction to what the bible says and creates debate about the crucifiction and events thereafter.

If Jesus was alive today, would he be viewed as unique and a saviour, I dont think he would. What you have to understand, is that man is vastly more intelligent now, our sciences have progressed enormously and we tend to exist on a more technological level and rely more on that than religion. To me Jesus was a scientist, an alchemist and a shayman, he lived off the land, he knew a sort of medicine and so practised this and was seen as a miracle worker when healing people. More and more scholars of Jesus and his life are finding evidences which paint a whole different picture of who was Jesus and is he prominent in todays world. It is nigh impossible for me to answer a question that has confounded biblical scholars for years and who still cannot agree on Who Is Jesus.

Yeah, and the question is answered simply by looking at Judaic prophecy concerning the Jesus.

As far as it pertains to the Jesus being the Mashiach or "Messiah".

Jews are the experts concerning their book. There is a reason the Jesus wasn't accepted as Messiah, and it wasn't because the Jews were being stubborn. It wasn't because Rabbi's were shamed. If the Jesus had met the prophetic requirements the Jews would have had no choice but to accept the Jesus. Judaism is very clear about this.

They must recognize fulfilled prophecy. This is also why their "god" was very specific. Unless a prophecy was 100% fulfilled, it was a false prophecy, or made by a false prophet. The Jesus was both. A false messiah(did not fulfill prophecy), and a false prophet.

"But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. And you may say in your heart,“How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?” When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).

^^^The^^^Jesus^^^fails^^^according^^^to^^^that^^^. Matthew chapter 24 evidences that quite well.

Just one of the reasons the Jesus was rejected as the messiah. Deuteronomy 13:1-5, also illustrates why the Jesus wasn't 'Messiah". There are numerous examples that spell out plainly that the, "Messiah", or Mashiach, was not to alter the Judaic religion in any way, not for Jews or Gentiles.

The oldest extant Judaic texts date to about 200 BCE, so there was no revision or redacting done to those prophecies at least after that final compilation date of 200 BCE.

Well before the Jesus stepped on the scene as a false messiah and prophet.

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